Our questions and Elaine Gottschall's answers [2]

Questions to Elaine

>From: Amanda McKee <ajmckee@idirect.com>
>Dear Elaine
>I have followed your diet carefully for over a year. In the last 2 months
>it has become apparent that I don't tolerate fruit although I used it
>successfully at the beginning of the diet. Any suggestions?
>Thanks Amanda

>From: mik@inform-bbs.dk (mik aidt)
>To: scdquestions@filmgraphics.com
>Subject: Cocoa
>Date: 09 Nov 1996 19:20:05 GMT
>Can we have cocoa? I mean: not chocolate, but raw cocoa powder. (For instance,
>it is delicious to mix cocoa with the yoghurt and honey ... but is it "legal"?)

>Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 21:49:02 -0800
>From: Judy Johnson <judy@waonline.com>
>To: scdquestions@filmgraphics.com
>Subject: Cocoa & carob
>In the book, chocolate and carob are listed as forbidden foods with no
>further explanation. So, I am wondering a) why carob? and b) by chocolate
>do you mean sweetened forms or do you mean cocoa? and c) If you mean
>cocoa, what is bad about it?
>Thank you,
>Judy Johnson

From: hansenb@FRB.GOV
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:25:20 -0500
Subject: Mayonnaise & dry curd cottage cheese
To: scdquestions@filmgraphics.com

Some of us are wondering about mayonnaises such as Hain and Spectrum
that contain grain vinegar. All the other ingredients sound o.k.

There is a Breakstone dry curd cottage cheese that has 'skim milk
added.' We have been thoroughly rinsing this cheese with water
through a fine strainer before use. Does this sound o.k.?

Thanks, Bart Hansen <hansenb@frb.gov>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:14:06 -0800
From: Barbara Jordan <mike123@erols.com>
To: scdquestions@filmgraphics.com
Subject: Question for Elaine
X-URL: http://www.inform.dk/djembe/scd/scd002.html

I wrote this question to the SCD group a couple of weeks ago but did not
have any responses so maybe Elaine could help:
Do you know of anyone with CD who has been on the diet whose biggest
problem is cramps and nausea due (in my case) to a 20 cm stricture on the
small intestine from both scarring and inflammation. I have an ilieostomy
so diarrhea is not a problem nor is bleeding. Currently I seem to do best
symptom wise on very low residue (almost no fruits or vegetables) and milk
products are not a problem and pass through well. I feel the diet may have
helped me if I had started it before the stricture but now that I have it
is too late. Thank you, Barbara

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 13:16:36 -0600
From: David Henson <colorgarden@earthlink.net>
To: scdquestions@filmgraphics.com
Subject: Prednisone-related ulcers

I put my eleven year old son on the diet who has twice been hospitalized for 30+
days and given cyclosporine in order to avoid surgery. He showed immediate signs
of improvement (4 days into diet) and felt great for next four weeks. Then he
got extreme stomach pain with no associated urgency. After about three weeks of
pain his doctor at Mayo gave him ulcer medication and the pain went away. He is
on 10mg of pred. and Asacol and 6MP. Have you ever heard of the diet causing
anyone to get pred. related ulcers?

After two weeks of the stomach pain we took him off the diet even though his
doctors did not think the diet caused ulcers. They also do not put much stock
in the diet but the diet's effects were so powerful that I have no doubt it
needs to be studied. So far his urgency has not returned but if it does I will
reintroduce the diet for more than the 1-2 months he was on it prior to the
stomach pain.

Date: 25 Nov 1996 17:48:40 -0000
From: "Joyce Lavery" <joycekling@hotmail.com>
To: scdquestions@filmgraphics.com
Subject: Daughter's Crohn's

Ms. Gottschall,
I'm very grateful for your diet. My 10 year old daughter was recently diagnosed
with CD. It was, and is, a very scary time for us. Being holistically oriented,
I opted to try the SCD before drugs. Initially, my daughter had remarkable
success in a very short period of time -- the first month was great. After that
(this is going on the 4th month), she downslided and now is better than before
the diet, but not well enough to feel confident or at all good about the future.
I am scared to death of prednisone, but I am tired of my daughter's suffering.
She has been amazing in her commitment to this diet, but she, too, is losing
confidence ("Mommy, will I need to take that awful drug that will make my face
swell?"). The biggest problem is the growth suppression -- she has barely grown
in over 2 yrs. She has gained some weight on this diet (her appetite is
fantastic now), but no height. I am very scared for her. I feel torn and
confused and I dread doing drugs and surgery and doubt that they will help
beyond the immediate suppression of symptoms. I need so much to believe she can
get well. Do I need to be patient with her growth? The info in the medical
texts on this subject is not conclusive or clear. Please share any insights or
experiences with me that might help me understand better what to expect.
Thanks and God Bless. Joyce


From: "Joyce Lavery" <joycekling@hotmail.com>
To: scd@filmgraphics.com
Subject: Daughter's progress

I sent a message to this group about a month ago re: my daughter's CD and my
concern for her growth (or lack thereof). Good news: after 4 months on the
SCD, she has gained 7 lbs and grown 1 inch. Her skin color looks great once
again, no diarrhea, no pain -- her entire body has begun to look healthy again!
She still has a long way to go, but I doubt she'd have gotten this far without
the SCD and if I went the traditional medical route. So far, we have abstained
from the prednisone her doctor insisted she needed or she'd be asking for a
bowel resection!

The lesson: be patient with this diet -- my daughter is 10 and has kept
faithfully to this diet because she knows how much it helps her.

Some breakfast ideas: we use a turkey sausage (Shelton's from the health food
store) for breakfast, yogurt (made w/ half&half) "sundaes" (yogurt, crushed
nuts, fruit, honey), toast (Lois Lang's recipe) or a nut muffin with lots of
honey butter, and we found one brand of bacon w/o sugar we use occasionally.

For sodas: R.W. Knudsen makes natural sodas made with only fruit juice and
carbonated water. She tolerates it well and it makes her feel less "odd" when
she finds one in her lunch-box. She also loves all the desserts.

This diet is a wonder, but it takes commitment and some hard work (and I do find
it much more costly) -- but worth it and do-able. The supplements she uses are
prescribed by a holistic MD are all starch-, sugar-, and yeast-free. She takes
SuperEPA, castor bean oil (a natural anti-yeast supplement), acidophilus,
polyenzymes, and a multi, occasionally C, magnesium, and B's. It's been a hard,
often lonely road, but I know she is getting better.

From Michael:
Great North Beans are supposed to be a variety of haricot (navy) beans, are they
OK? likewise with Canellini is this variety of navy bean OK?

That's it for this time round

Answers from Elaine Gottschall
Fri, 3 Jan 1997 5:31:41 GMT

I would like to start out by saying that I did not develop this diet. It was
developed by doctor Sidney Valentine Haas who was an internationally acclaimed
celiac specialist and who cured my daughter of ulcerative colitis in New York
City in the 60's. At that time, we availed ourselves of every specialist in the
area with no success and only the suggestion that the colon would have to be

When she was cured, I entered university and spent almost 12 years in
an effort to understand how something as simple as a diet could cure such a
serious disease. After doing 7 years of research at the cellular level I did 6
years of consulting and found that the diet can reverse many of the other bowel

I do not have the analysis of every food in the world and when I do not know for
example all the components in the food I say, "avoid it". I cannot draw
chemical structures and try to explain every question you have. If you cannot
follow the diet just as it is in the book then don't bother with it.

If you knew how much genetic breeding is going on with vegetables and fruits and
how nobody is interested in whether or not the new cultivar (product) is
digestible or not, then you could appreciate the fact that when certain beans
are specified and not others, it is because of the fact that some of these beans
have starch in them that is not digestible and can interfere with the diet's

I can assure you that you will have tremendous variety and a healthy nutritious
diet if you make certain variations to the basic recipes in the book. But the
diet takes time & if you cannot give it time then forget it.

As I say in the book: after one month you will know if it is good for you.
Please do not keep asking me if you can have chocolate, cocoa and carob.
I have specified in the book that THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED.

You are to make your own mayonnaise & can use grain vinegar. You cannot trust
any labels and when you ask about HAIN and SPectrum, you are contradicting
the advice in the book. - you are to make your own.

To Barbara who asked about the strictures: sometimes surgery is needed as the
diet cannot reverse scar tissue in the muscle wall, but many people have found
that after a couple of months, all of the symptoms go away and you can avoid
surgery. (Editor's note: not a cure of the scar tissue, but an alleviation of
the symptoms). Each person is different. EVERYTHING ON THIS DIET IS WHOLESOME
FOOD. The food that brought about Crohn's disease is in most cases pure junk
food and the shameful thing is that no health professional ever showed any
interest in guiding you properly.

To the person that asked about the diet causing prednisone-related ulcers: no,
I have never heard of good nutritious food causing prednisone-related ulcers.

If a person cannot tolerate fruit, then eliminate it. But if the fruit is
prepared properly and the person has eliminated ALL the NOT PERMITTED foods,
most often cooked, peeled fruit can be tolerated. (Editor's note: personally I,
Michael, can tolerate stewed peeled, cored apples at the moment but not stewed
pears - too much fibre). I cannot tell you more than that. Usually when the
person talks to me personally, I find that there are many other factors entering
into the problem. Perhaps if you discontinue the fruit for a while, then you can
try it later.

To the person who thinks it is too late for the diet since she has developed a
stricture please be assured that 100's of people have had this same condition.
Often a resection is needed to get rid of the stricture, but they follow the
diet for a couple of years and regain their health and know how to prevent any
further problems. Dr Bayer (on the back cover of the book) is one of the 100's
who found this out.

To Michael - Great North Beans are OK but I cannot answer your question about
Cannellini. Kidney beans are OK too. Why not stick to what we know?

I know the diet works in many cases but not all. You are eating good nutritious
food on the diet, but some of you are still addicted to the very junk that
caused the problem. This is especially true in small intestinal Crohn's but not
so much the case in Ulcerative Colitis. But please do not trust the labels and
try to get someone to help you with things like the ketchup and the mayonnaise
if you do not have the time or the patience.

One thing necessary is a food processor. When I had my daughter on the diet,
I only had a blender and one can manage with that, but food processors are a
good investment and will save you time.

Bart: Try and get the real dry curd cheese. But you can treat the cheese you are
using with "Lactaid" drops. However it is so wasteful to use that watered-down
cheese. Surely someone in the group lives near you and is able to get dry
farmer's or baker's cheese as it may be called.

Good luck to all, and a happy and healthy 1997.

Fax from Elaine Gottschall
Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:12:48 GMT

FROM: Elaine Gottschall

Subject: Careless adherence to diet outlined in "Breaking the vicious cycle"

First of all, I am happy that the group has been reestablished. I know how helpful it is to communicate with others as you try to get over inflammatory bowel disease along with related problems.

However I have received a few letters and telephone calls which have caused me a lot of aggravation. I want all of you to get better so badly that when something happens that I know will retard your progress, I am saddened.

My understanding is that the issue of canned foods has come up, and I would like to address it. In the 1900's Dr. Haas told us not to use them and I would never have thought of doing so.Additionally, in the last 30 years, things have gotten much worse in the processing of foods. If you use canned foods, the diet will not be as effective, or it may not work at all. THE LABELS ARE MOST OFTEN DECEPTIVE. The companies have continuously put cornstarch and refined sugar in canned food and have not labeled accordingly.

Some acquaintances who work for canners tell me that carloads of sugar stand by the tanks where vegetables and fruits are being prepared, and as the chemist tests for sweetness, in goes the sugar, down the chutes into the vats. It is not on the label.

Just because you buy something in a health food store does not guarantee the label is correct.. An aquantance of mine told me about the "wonderful" dried cranberries she was snacking on. She took me to the health food store in Toronto and showed me the product. I tasted it; it was sweet. On the box it said "no sugar added". I said to the owner "did you ever taste a cranberry? it is more sour that rhubarb - why and how did it get so sweet?
He turned red and was going to call the packer.

I would also be careful of ordering nuts from Dutch Valley. I tried to check it out and came to the conclusion that it is not up to standards.

I would like to quote from a part of Dr. Haas's book, The Management of Celiac Disease:
Among milder cases of bowel disease, there is a degree of tolerance for carbohydrates which allows for careless treatment with fair results, but cure requires two or three times as long as would be the case if a strict diet were followed. In some cases the symptoms are a little relieved, but physical progress is maintained, so as to obscure the fact that a cure was not obtained. Fortunately, time eventually seems to help these cases to get well, although many of them go through life with a tendency toward loose stools... The SCD with the proper type of carbohydrate to be fed is of the utmost importance, as experience in these cases shows that even the smallest quantity of the forbidden carbohydrate will precipitate diarrhea.


This is the fax that Elaine sent to me and I pass it on to you. If nothing else, it certainly makes clear her position on canned foods.

Love to all, Rachel

Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:41:45, -0500
From: David Cournoyer,DCournoyer@prodigy.com (MR DAVE COURNOYER)
To: scd-list@longisland.com
Subject: Talked to Elaine

I spoke to Elaine this week.

1. After two weeks on the diet, I had terrible heartburn and was
sticking to the original 5 day diet. She said she never intended for
anyone to be on it for more than 5 days and it was only to clean out
your system from grains. She had me stop the yogurt for a few days and
"eat everything except the muffins." She said to have a couple spotted
bananas and a couple baked apples/applesauce a day. And for the time
being, only cooked vegetables. And she recommended avocado. Too bad I
can't stand avocado. The heartburn cleared in 24 hours so the initial
diet was hurting me.

2. She thought that probiotics were important. She recommended Natren
brand and gave a phone number 1-800-992-3323, extension 132, Connie.
She recommended a lactose base saying the acidophilus thrived on it and
it was such a small amount that it shouldn't cause problems. I called
and it is $109 for the powder which Connie said worked for most, $144
for 90 capsules which she recommends for UC people.

3. For someone with diarrhea this is a recipe she gave for homemade
pedialite (spelled wrong most likely). 1 quart water, 2 tablespoons
honey, 1/4 teaspoon salt, 1/4 teaspoon baking soda. This can be kept
one day and then a new batch has to be made. Because of the honey it
will grow bacteria if left longer.

4. We talked about my specific case, that I had UC because of giardia
and Lyme Disease. She said both would certainly cause that. She said
most people didn't experience "die-off" so she didn't know whether I
should expect to or not.


Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:54:49 -0500
From: porter@sprint.ca
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Elaine's fax reply

I received Elaine's fax on the 16th, which, incidently, was my ninth
wedding anniversary! Anyway, I will break the fax up into sections, for
those with email programs who cannot handle the whole shot. It is quite
lengthy, and quite interesting! It felt special to recieve a fax from my
guru! =) I may need to copy some of the questions in order for you to
understand the answers. Alright, here goes part one!

Shannon writes: These are questions collected from the SCD list. I'm sorry
the list is so long but thought my putting together one long fax would be
easier than a fax from everyone who had a question. Thank you for your
time. You're a blessing to us all. (By the way, I don't have diarrhea but
do have Lyme Disease like my husband - gotten at the same time - and the
diet is doing amzaing things for my digestion - I've had nausea for a

Elaine Replies: There is an intestinal connection [to Lyme Disease]
according to very recent research.

Shannon writes:
My Questions:

1. I ordered probiotics from Natren and was told the capsules were better
for Ulcerative Colitis and they were the same as the powders. The capsules
came and they are in a base of sunflower oil and were made with garbanzo
beans as the growing medium. NOT the same as the powder. Is this safe?

Elaine's Reply: [I] can't understand why [the] capsule form is different.
Call Connie on x 132 (1-800-992-3323) and discuss. Have her call me if she
will. I don't understand why.

2. Are rutabaga (Swede) allowed? They aren't on the allowable vegetable
list but are in a recipe.

Elaine's Reply: They are big turnips? [They] are ok.

3. Is goat's milk allowed as the milk for yogurt? Goat cheese? Sheep's
milk cheese? For example: romano, an allowable cheese, isn't always cow's

Elaine's Reply: [All these are allowed if] it is cultered with bacteria. [You] can't make
yogurt out of pasteurized goat milk - it doesn't work.

4. On the web site, there is a fax from you about the dried beans we can
eat. You list navy (white) beans, kidney and occasionally black beans. In
the recent edition of the book, you only list navy beans as allowable and
then in "not permitted" garbanzo, soybean, mung and fava. What dried beans
are allowed?

Elaine's Reply: [navy, (white) beans, kidney and occasionally black beans.]

5. Chestnut flour has been added to the list. Are the whole nuts allowed?

Elaine's Reply: Yes.

Questions from others:

6. Are pistachios allowed?

Elaine's Reply: Yes

7. Is Stevia an allowable sweetener?

Elaine's Reply: No

8. Is date sugar allowed?

Elaine's Reply: Yes

9. Is balsamic vinegar allowed?

Elaine's Reply: No

10. Is Canola oil allowed?

Elaine's Reply: Books are written on canola and its rapeseed background.
No - it is genetically engineered to the point where its composition is
questionable - some of the fatty acids are questionable.

11. Recent discussion on the board made me wonder, is any jam with pectin
allowed? Some are eating it.

Elaine's Reply: Pectin ADDED is not advisable. Small amounts of thickened
cooked fruit and honey and frozen is satisfactory.

12. Does it matter if tomato jice is "from concentrate?"

Elaine's Reply: I prefer ordinary juice (with salt only) and not from concentrate. Why is
it necesary to buy a juice from concentrate?

13. Is grain alcohol an acceptable ingredient?

Elaine's Reply: Yes - not too much - 1 jigger of alcohol a couple times

14. One woman cannot use V8 because it isn't kosher. The book says no
canned tomato juice mixtures. Can she drink kosher V8-type drinks?

Elaine's Reply: If the ingredients are not suspect. V-8 has changed and
use tomato concentrate - but I would use it as it is only one of many

15. Are fresh vegetable juices (especially carrot) allowed when diarrhea is
still active?

Elaine's Reply: If you squeeze your own - yes.

16a. Does Lactaid milk become allowable at any point?

Elaine's Reply: Lactaid milk may be used in tea or coffee when recovery is
certain. [It is] not to be drunk as milk.

16b. Can Lactaid yogurt which is supposedly 100% lactose free be used?

Elaine's Reply: No

17. Can commercial tuna with soy protein added be used?

Elaine's Reply: It's getting risky. Actually hydrolyzed soy protein is ok.
But they keep adding new things. It's borderline.

18. Appparently, an item has to go through rigorous inspection to be labled
Kosher. Would a kosher product's ingredients be considered accurate?

Elaine's Reply: They have a completely different set of standards but if
they say something, I would think it to be true.

19. Can health food store mayonaise such as Hain or a commerical brand such
as Trader Vic's be used if the ingredients listed are all acceptable?

Elaine's Reply: No - No- No

Further comment by Elaine:

I apologize for not being sure about all things. Dr. Haas said, "don't
take chances if in doubt." We have a varied and interesting diet without
going into exotic things that are doubtful.

V-8 has, of late, used concentrate for its tomato juice. I still think I
would use it since it is relatively a small amount and there are so many
other ingreditents.

I'm sorry I'm dubious about some questions. The cheeses should be checked
out if they are questionable. Write to the company. Generally speaking,
if they have a bacterial culture added, they are ok - like camembert.

The canned fishes are giving some people strange symptoms. A doctor's wife
(a celiac who has been on the diet 4 years and thriving) told me she
reacts. [She] thinks it is because of raising some fish in fish farms and
using antibiotics as they are overcrowded.

I think sunflower oil (or olive oil) is safer than canola. I use sunflower
for my mayonnaise.


Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:17:29 EST
From: BluesVan@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Answers from Elaine to recent questions

Here are the answers to the recent questions compiled Shannon and Michelle and faxed to Elaine. Michelle faxed the answers to me to transcribe because she is very busy. There were 2 spots where I had to guess a little due to a couple of letters getting cut off or not being able to interpret a handwritten note on the fax. I noted these areas and Michelle and Shannon can correct if necessary (Questions 6 and 7).

brian (BluesVan@aol.com)

Here it is.

From Shannon:

Elaine, here are a set of questions from the e-mail group on-line. Once again, we are sending them as one fax, saving your from receiveing all the questions individually. Thank you in advance for your answers.

Question 1: Can we have figs?

Elaine's Reply: If you have diarrhea (movements still not formed and water brown) do not eat them. And when you are really getting well, you can eat the dried ones although they sometimes are very tough. I'd try and get a softer fig than the ones on the string at the supermarket.

Question 2: Can we use flax/linseed oil?

Elaine's Reply: It can be used but don't go overboard. I would say no more than 1 teaspoon a day.

Question 3: I know raw sauerkraut is SCD safe but is it an acidophilus alternative for someone who can't eat yougurt? Would probiotics be necessary instead?

Elaine's Reply: When Dr. Haas said sauerkraut was OK, we had to go (in 1960's) to ONE ONLY German deli to buy it. So be careful of what brand you buy. It is not an alternative for L.acidophilus and L.bulgaricus although some of the same bacteria may be present. Especially for UC patients, the probiotics can be very helpful. I am not a supporter of bifidis or some of the other strains - L.acid. and L.bulgaricus are good for UC; for Crohn's I am not so sure.

Question 4: Is taro root acceptable?

Elaine's Reply: NO NO NO It is a starchy tuber. You can bet that any such product has the worst possible starch in it for the IBD sufferers.

Question 5: "Some companies are producing sour cream which contains virtually no lactose." (page 56) What amount of lactose is acceptable?

Elaine's Reply: About 1-2% lactose is acceptable. But often these sour creams have lots of other things in them which are not acceptable. I realize that 1/2 + 1/2 has carageenan in it but use it anyhow. When I use half and half or cream, to make my youghurt, I get a superb sour cream. Yes, I know it takes time but it is my first priority. That is why I did not think I could answer your fax until after Christmas. I was trying to make my super-duper veggie soup and with interruptions it took me about 5 hrs.

Question 6: You recently said during your speech in Vancouver, B.C. that the diet helped arthritis. Is this Rheumatoid Arthritis or some other forms? (I have an aunt with Rheumatoid Arthritis.)

Elaine's Reply: Yes, this same diet is being used by Dr. Allan Springer in England for RA and the most prestigious medical journals have supported this. What has she to lose - just 3 weeks and she'll know.

Question 7: Beans: Several questions here.

Question 7A: The book states theat legumes must be soaked for "at least 10-12 hours." Is longer than 23 hours preferred? What is optimum?

Elaine's Reply: I have always been told to soak overnight - about 12 hours. I imagine that is good enough.

Question 7B: Would changing the soaking water several times during the soaking help?

Elaine's Reply: If your have a few beans in a large bowl, it may not be necessary to change water. But if they are crowded, yes, change it - what can it hurt ! ! !

Question 7C: Do lentils and split peas also need to be soaked? (There is a confusing note on the web site about not soaking some lentils. Split peas are dried peas - we eat peas fresh from the vine.)

Elaine's Reply: Yes - maybe not as long as beans. 2 to 3 hours is OK. I would soak them (lentils). The peas we grow inour gardens are not the same strain (genetically) as those which are grown for dried peas. That means that the starch component is quite different from the peas we grow in the garden. For example, Kellogg's have the farmers grow a special strain of corn for cornflakes which is called waxy maize which is indigestible by our digestive systems and by animals as well.

Question 8: Is the herb echinacea (sold by both dry and in liquid form) SCD safe?

Elaine's Reply: When taking these herbs I would try and get the liquid form in alcohol as the pill forms are packed in lactose usually. I use aconite in alcohol distillate.

Question 9: Are fresh plantains allowed? (not the chips)

Elaine's Reply: Not really, they have far more natural starch than bananas and I think they have to get almost black before all the starch turns to acceptable sugar. But in medical history, doctors used dry plaintain flour for celiacs and others with intest. problems in order to bake (w/the flour from plantains). Even in the 1900's (early, they knew grain flour was BAD).

Question 10: Is regular table salt acceptable? There has been discussion on- line about iodized salt containing dextrose and thus not being SCD safe. Is that true? (Of course, this salft is unavoidable when eating out.)

Elaine's Reply: Dextrose is an acceptable sugar it is synonomous with glucose. It is OK to use it. We have always used iodized salt even years ago when Judy was on the diet. But you are correct in watching labeling because things are always changing. But, yes, I think it is OK - don't worry about it.

Question 11: The book says, "If you forget to remove it [the yogurt] after 24 hours, and the fermentation goes on longer, all the better." Some are leaving theirs 36 or even 48 hours. Is this acceptable or too long?

Elaine's Reply: I think up to about 36 is maximum. I don't think 48 is wise. I believe it it can get yeasty quicker even after refrigeration if you ferment beyond 24-36 hours.

Question 12: On the phone, ou said my husband could have psyllium. Now, there seems to be some confusion. Is it acceptable? Would it be acceptable for someone with severe constipation to use flax or psyllium? If not, what would you recommed for her?

Elaine's Reply: Do not use ground flax, it is too much roughage. Some people when they first go on the diet are taking sugarless Metamucil either for diarrhea onr constipation. I usually say keep it up. It sometimes prevents urgency by bulking up the stool. In the long term, I do not think it is necessary as the diet addresses severe constipation provided that enough bulky foods like bananas and baked squash and muffins are eaten.

From Shannon:

Thank you very much for your time. We know you are a busy person. Enjoy your holidays.

Note at end from Elaine:

Dear All - I fortunately had 12 hours of sleep last night or I would have shot the bunch of you. Kidding aside, I love hearing from you but with all the cooking, shipping out of books, answering the phone (6 calls and 4 faxes to answer yesterday am) and taking care of the house and garden and running into Toronto to lecture, I do get tired. But I would be complaining if it were otherwise. Have a wonderful Christmas, Hanakuh and/or holiday season.

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:38:13 -0500
From: "Melissa O'brien" <m46obrie@council.nyc.ny.us>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: allowable items

Zanne wrote:
>Does anyone know if the following are allowed?

>maple syrup flavoring/extract

- no

>date sugar
- yes

- no

>milo/sorghum flour
- no

>sorghum or cane syrup
- no

>goats milk
- no (unless if used for making yoghurt)

>non-dairy creamer
- probably not if it has any sweetners, milk solids, etc.
Elaine usually recommends to stay away from heavily processed foods/beverages

>artificial sweeteners version of brown sugar
- what kind of artificial sweetners? i believe the only one that is scd-recommended is saccharin (aka isomalt)

>Also, is instant milk consider a milk solid?
- unsure, but if i had to guess, it's probably ok as long as it didn't have any extraneous ingredients and you use it as the the book suggests (boil then cool) to remove the lactose.

i hope this helps.


Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:11:08 -0800
From: "Rosset" <rosset@serv.net>
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Re: pine nuts?

> The pine nuts seemed okay, but I'd love a definitive answer for the next
> time I get that pesto craving!
> Nancy

I recently asked Elaine about pine nuts and she said they should be OK.

Elaine's answers on garlic, acidophilus, other supplements, and on resistant starches

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Elaine Gottshall writes:

Before I attempt to answer your questions, I would like to mention 2 recent articles:
(1) in Feb., 1999 The Atlantic Monthly, written by J. Hooper and called A NEW GERM THEORY:
The scientists developing this theory suggest that most diseases such as lupus, MS, hea(r)t disease, etc., are caused by bacteria/virus. It is not an easy article to understand although it is written for non-scientists.
Schizophrenia is also included as pathogenically caused. There's a lot of good factual matter which support the diet but it would take pages to communicate it.

The other article is one that appeared in SCIENCE Sept. 11, 1998 entitled GRAIN FEEDING AND DISSEMINATION OF ACID RESISTANT ESCHERICIA COLI FROM CATTLE.
I am going to include these findings in the upcoming new printing of my book following the discussion of lactic acid on page 18.
It will read something like this:

In 1998, a group of researchers at Cornell University reported in SCIENCE a similar phenomenon occurring in cattle as a result of the overfeeding of grain starch. An overwhelming amount of grain starch fed to cattle produces fermentation of the disaccharide maltose (a degradation product of starch) and produces the volatile fatty acids show in Figure 4 on page 17.
This acid environment in the colon results in making E. coli bacteria ACID-RESISTANT by lowering the acidity of the bacterial environment in the intestine. . As a result the normal acidity of the human stomach which normally destroys harmful bacteria would have no effect on these pathogenic acid-resistant E. coli.
I have a notion that when bacteria become acid-resistant because of fermentation acids, there may be a change in the DNA and turn them from non-harmful intestinal bacteria into pathogens. But for this latter point, I must get to people who are working on this and that is always a problem.

1. Are macadamia nuts acceptable?
2. Are pine nuts acceptable?

Macadamia and pine nuts are fine as long as they do not go through a roasting process which invariably (commercially) coats them with starch. I roast my own blanched whole almonds, walnuts, etc., by spreading on a cookie sheet with dabs of butter and roast at 350 until they start showing a little brown. I turn them onto a paper towel, pat them dry and salt them. Jar them and use when wanted.

3. Is okra allowed?

No it is not allowed as the mucilaginous consistency indicates a form of starch which is probably bad for IBDers.

4. Are blackeye peas allowed? (frozen, fresh or dried?)

I am not sure so I avoid them.

5. Is Chinese star fruit/carambola acceptable?

I have no knowledge of the Chinese star fruit so I would not take chances on it.

6. As I understand it, tomato juice was preferred over canned tomato products because it wasn't from concentrate but it often is now. Is it still safe?

I do believe that tomato juice is OK whether it be from concentrate or not. Just get the kind with only salt added.

7. So many juices, even those in cartons, are from concentrate. Are frozen or canned on the shelf fruit juices allowed on the diet? Is orange juice with calcium acceptable?

Calcium in orange is OK. I just looked my Tropicana carton and it has nothing added altho it gives the analysis of the amount of some minerals such as potassium, calcium on the label. I would stick with the juices in the book - no canned except the pineapple I mentioned and the Welch's grape juice (purple). DO NOT USE THE SMALL JUICE BOXES - I have heard too many stories about their manufacture. Do not believe labels - just use either your own squeezed juice, the pineapple, the grape and a good quality orange juice such as Tropicana.

8. Are raw vegetables and salads okay if bowel movements are solid but still seeing some blood and mucous and experiencing a feeling of urgency?

I wouldn't go hog-wild on raw veggies (salads such as lettuce and tomatoes are OK) such as cabbage slaw or grated carrots if there is a lot of blood and mucous. They can be physically irritating to the mucous layer even though the biochemistry will not grow microorganisms.

9. Someone found a recipe for a homemade cheese like DCCC. You put lemon juice in the milk and it curdles, then you drain it and rinse. Would this be SCD safe?

I do not think the homemade DCCC is terribly risky but if you look at page 145, it states that along with this process, it is followed by application of a bacterial culture such as found in yoghurt. .

10. Someone spoke with you at a book signing and asked if she could treat cream with lactaid drops, then use it in her coffee. You said "yes." Could this cream be used in soups and other things? Could untreated cream be used in this way? (some on the bulletin board say it has less lactose than milk)

The person as the book signing must have reported great improvement before I would say she could treat cream with lactaid drop and use a small amount in coffee. Absolutely not to be used in large amounts in soup. It's the old "saw" - "give a person a finger and they want the whole hand." That is exactly why I am so very adamant about following the book methodically and fanatically.

Untreated cream can be made into yoghurt and it will be a wonderful sour cream. Do not use cream just with lactaid drops - there are other reasons for this which would have to be talked about but I could not do justice to it by writing about it.

11. You said we could use date sugar. It isn't necessarily made from California dates. Are California dates specified because genetically they are better for us or because of how they are treated? (i.e. no sugar added in processing, etc.) My organic food catalog lists dates but none that are specifically "California" so thought perhaps other kinds that were organic would be allowed.

Yes, date sugar must come from California dates. They are specified because they never have corn syrup added such as the Mid-east ones which clump together. Every carton of dates I have ever bought has "California" on the label (and that spans 45 years). If your organic catalogue does not specify where the dates are from, I would not order from them.

12. Is light rum allowed? (I read that dark rum can have caramel added for coloring so know that is no)

Yes, light rum is OK. I do not know if all dark rum is artificially colored but stay with light.

13. Is dry vermouth allowed?

Vermouth, I believe has some sugar in it . . I just called my liquor store and dry vermouth has considerable sugar in it.

14. Is red wine vinegar allowed?

Yes, red wine vinegar is not only allowed but great! However, I have had trouble with cider vinegar so I would be careful with it.

15. One of the members on the board just posted her recipe for sour cream. Is this acceptable?

"It's the same as making yogurt, but you use either the powdered 'sour cream/buttermilk starter/ OR regular commercial buttermilk from the supermarket with no additives. The difference is, you don't need to use the yogurt maker because the temperature required for fermentation is room temperature! It's actually easier to make than yogurt because of this. . .

I will list the exact instructions for those interested:

- bring to boil one litre/quart half and half cream.
-allow it to cool to room temperature.
-strain out any skin that has formed on the top.
-remove about a cup or so of the cooled cream, and add to it 1/3 cup of commercial additive free buttermilk, OR freeze dried powdered sour cream/buttermilk/fresh cheese starter (this is what it should say on the envelope).
-stir for at least 2 minutes until completely dissolved
-pour the cup of cream mixture back into the container of the rest of cooled cream.
-stir well to combine.
-pour into 2 or more containers (such as glass jars, or plastic sour cream or yogurt containers)
-cover tightly and place in an undisturbed spot in the kitchen, such as the back corner of the counter top.
-leave it to incubate for 24-30 hours. It should be done in 24 hours but it won't hurt to leave it up to 30, but then it should be refrigerated to prevent mold, and spoilage.
. . . The homemade kind has no lactose, as far as I know (and it has never bothered my stomach), and it is perfectly thick and tastes exactly like real sour cream, not yogurty."

Sorry, I do not like the sour cream recipe. Any bacterial action at room temperature is suspect. I do not know why the yoghurt recipe in the book and using half-and-half product or whipping cream would not work well.

This type of "French Cream" does not taste yoghurty.

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